Well... we finally picked out a contractor to do the bathroom rough-in. I still think 4 grand is waaaaay to much, but i'm running out of time. Why the time constraint, you ask? Ondigo's sister, her husband and their 4 boys are coming in less than two weeks to help us finish the basement so that Ondigo's mother will be able to move in next month. So, umm.. we've got a week and half to get the concrete broken, the drains set, the ground plumbing inspected, the concrete reset, the rough in plumbing put in place, and the final plumbing inspection done. Ergo, almost four thousand dollars for a bathroom rough in. Sigh... Not even Gulliver can save us now.